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[cybermule]

Gwahh. Slept 10 hours, still tired. Only 6 more hours of work to go

*yawns*

Had a neat dream last night, but forgot a whole bunch of it, except that there was some sort of emergency and I'd been evacuated to this bungalow out in the country. There was a sort of square of bungalows around a really brilliant green lawn, with a fountain in the middle. I wonder where the landscapes come from in dreams - whether I saw them somewhere, or just made them up.

*yawns again*

Saw a heron in the MOD pond between the train station and work. Wasn't expecting to see that in the city - perhaps it was a spy-heron?

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[unsane1.livejournal.com]

I wonder where the landscapes come from in dreams - whether I saw them somewhere, or just made them up.


good question... i would tend more towards them being imagined, cause i rarely recognize any of the places i see. and when i do recognize, it is very obvious where the place is (most often the streets where i grew up from 10-20 years old.


perhaps it was a spy-heron?


haha, for sure!

[cybermule.livejournal.com]

good question... i would tend more towards them being imagined

Mmm. I was settling on that opinion because the landscapes in my dreams are usually far more stark and brilliantly coloured than those I'm used to. Plus, as you said yourself, I know when I recognise a landscape. But then I was wondering if I *had* seen them somewhere - on a film or in real-life - but had just forgotten. Sometimes I wonder that about familiar people too.

Hmm. I'm still coming down on the side of "imaginary" though.

perhaps it was a spy-heron?

haha, for sure!

*grin* You laugh, but as I was walking past the MOD, they were checking under cars with mirros on sticks and emptying bags and so on. So I was thinking how much easier it would be to (a) build a robot heron, or (b) attach a tiny camera to a heron and train it to spy through windows. It's so incongruous that ppl would trust it.

Nobody would ever suspect the heron ;)

[unsane1.livejournal.com]

But then I was wondering if I *had* seen them somewhere - on a film or in real-life - but had just forgotten


It's definitely possible. I hope it isn't the case though, cause it would limit my lucid dream landscapes to things I've seen, tho if i've forgotten them it doesn't really matter that i've seen 'em before. :P

when you think about it, is it possible to truly imagine something one has never seen? hmm to answer my own question, yes! lol, ignore me, i'm getting lost in my thoughts. reminds me of some indian or somesuch beliefs that are similar, they believe that if you draw something, like a monster for example, it means that it exists and that you have seen it. they believe you can only draw/create/reproduce what you have already seen. pretty wacky.

and on another wacky tangent, what about someone who is born blind. what do they "see" when they think of a blue sky, or a tree...


Nobody would ever suspect the heron ;)


Well, almost nobody. ;)

[cybermule.livejournal.com]

tho if i've forgotten them it doesn't really matter that i've seen 'em before. :P

*grins* That's a refreshing attitude to memory loss. I guess if you forget something, it probably wasn't that important. Or that's what I tell myself :)

reminds me of some indian or somesuch beliefs that are similar, they believe that if you draw something, like a monster for example, it means that it exists and that you have seen it. they believe you can only draw/create/reproduce what you have already seen. pretty wacky.

neat, though. I like that idea - thanks. I watched "The Others" recently (quite good, but I digress ;)), and was intrigued by the book of the dead. It was a book of photographs taken because ppl thought that they'd capture the dead person's soul. It was quite neat because it tied up with a bit in an Iris Murdoch book I started recently. Anyhoo - that really is digressing.

what about someone who is born blind. what do they "see" when they think of a blue sky, or a tree...

Hmm. My friend is red-green colourblind. He says he just sees grays for pure red and green, but can generally tell them apart by context. But really weird in practice - we were looking at tomatoes in my garden, and he couldn't tell ripe from unripe. It was mildly quite trippy :) And he sees orange as yellow, like it's being filtered.

[unsane1.livejournal.com]

book of photographs taken because ppl thought that they'd capture the dead person's soul.


ah yes i remember that, another neat idea. it is kinda spooky when you think about it. when u look at the pic of someone who's dead, or even moreso a video of them, what exactly are you seeing? hehe almost seems like we broke the system somehow. :P next step: truman reaches the outer edge of the world!

i do hope we soon find the end of the universe, or at the least realize that it loops and we are looking at the same thing again, or at ourselves. 14 billion light years is large enough dammit... hehe


My friend is red-green colourblind


heh that must be like seeing the world the way we see MS Windows hehe. everything blue/white/black and shades in between. altho you mention he sees yellow somehow... how can he see yellow when he can't see red or green... i bet there's a website somewhere that shows what we would see if we were red/green blind, etc.

[...] 1 hr later. well i found a couple websites and it's all very interesting. here's some visual examples of what they see:
http://www.vischeck.com/examples/

The daltonize page was extremely interesting:
http://www.vischeck.com/daltonize/

for some fun, try http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckURL.php with the following images:

http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/1/firstrays640.shtml
http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/2/sunsetfog640.shtml
http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/2/cradle2k3640.shtml

tritanopia is especially trippy. everything is pink! you know, looking at the 2 main types of colorblindness, tritanopia strikes me as very bright/happy/flashy, whereas deuteranopia and protanopia seem very dark/gloomy/lifeless. whereas trichromats (normal) see something in between, more balanced. of course that's kind of irrelevent since dichromats can't ever imagine what we see, but _we_ can see all 3 possibilities, and it's a fun thought.

does your friend also dream and trip in blue and yellow? probly an ignorant question. :P

[cybermule.livejournal.com]

when u look at the pic of someone who's dead, or even moreso a video of them, what exactly are you seeing?

Yeah - I was thinking that seemed kind of freaky. It's like we're in a period of development where some of the technology and knowledge seems to break some sort of natural laws. Like you, I hope it's just a sign that we're approaching the end of the universe, and any moment now I'll turn around and see myself coming the other way. If I don't find out something interesting in whatever makes up life, I'm going to be pissed off at the end of it! ;)

heh that must be like seeing the world the way we see MS Windows hehe

LOL - an anti- MS dig ? ;)

http://www.vischeck.com/examples/

Argh - I just got that off my friend to give to you! :P It's fascinating, isn't it? I just put my website through it, and I can see why he thinks it's so gloomy. And I'm not really sure why he likes my photos at all. As far as dreams or trips go, he's not very helpful. Apparently he never dreams, and adding that fact to my general knowledge, I would bet a fair amount of money on him never having tripped either. Heh - TBH, the amount of people I know who are into stuff like that could be counted on the thumbs of one hand :P

I think I want the trippy pink colour-vision too. Although maybe they think we're trippy *boggle* Anyway - I think there's hope for wanting tritanopia, as my grandad developed something really similar as a temporary thing when he used certain eye-drops. I'll see if he's got any left over ;)

[unsane1.livejournal.com]

If I don't find out something interesting in whatever makes up life, I'm going to be pissed off at the end of it! ;)


LOL I've said basically the same thing to others before.


LOL - an anti- MS dig ? ;)


heh I'm def anti-MS. Tho it was only meant as a jab at the monochromatic color themes, which is the same on all OS's.


TBH, the amount of people I know who are into stuff like that could be counted on the thumbs of one hand :P


heh suxors. Can't say I know [m]any either.


Although maybe they think we're trippy *boggle*


I wonder though. We can see/imagine what they see. But I think they have no concept of what we see.


I'll see if he's got any left over ;)


Heh this ties-in with the infp thread about tailor-made color trips. I want tritanopian contacts, or blotters! hehe

[cybermule.livejournal.com]

Tho it was only meant as a jab at the monochromatic color themes, which is the same on all OS's.

heh - that's true. I always hate the names that they think up for the themes too - "spruce" just always makes me think of toilet cleaner. Although I have to admit to having rather a dour desktop myself right now :p

I wonder though. We can see/imagine what they see. But I think they have no concept of what we see.

yah - that's a good point. perhaps they'd just think our multicolour vision was a bit garish :p

I want tritanopian contacts, or blotters! hehe

*grins* i'll dig out my testtubes :p actually, that reminds me of some trips I had once that were called testubes. and, unsurprisingly, had little testtubes printed on them. with faces :)